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care este cea mai veche natie si limba din lume

Început de raven alb j., Mar 25 mar 2014 · 352 răspunsuri · 39.244 vizualizări

tadayo4.078 mesaje#311

Trebuie sa fi fost foarte destepti ca sa poata scrie romane cu limba aia incarligata. Si chinezii ar fi uimiti de acest alfabet rascracanat.

The Unknown45.704 mesaje#312

Numai povesti foarte scurte se scria in acel mod ... precis stenografia e original din acele placute - daca mai stie cineva ce-i aia   :haha:  ca pe noi in scoala tare ne plimbau sa-l stim.

Poatra-i inchisa ... sau ... Sintem plecati ... erau mesajele cioplite pe terra-cotta sau piatra mai moale decat granitul.

Sint curioasa cati romani inteleg limba din Maramures si ce canta Gheorghe Turda???  ca am vazut pe un video ca lumea in sala era serioasa parca erau condamnati ...

blackbeard3.912 mesaje#314
Vriies a scris:

Până la urmă... care e cea mai veche nație și limbă din lume?

Desigur ca Romana! Nu se scrie atata mai recent de cat de vechi e poporu Roman ca lb Latina de la ei se trage si cum ca cea mai veche asezare umana a fost descoperita in Romania?Oameni uriasi chiar!Poate chiar big bangu s-a declansat in Romania!!!! Sagan numai tampenii vorbea!Sau alde Michio Kaku si Hawking.Romania domne!De aici a pornit TOTU!Si am facut TOTU!

tadayo4.078 mesaje#315
The Unknown a scris:

Poatra-i inchisa ... sau ... Sintem plecati ... erau mesajele cioplite pe terra-cotta sau piatra mai moale decat granitul.

Sau: Caine rau!

Caine paranoic sub medicatie, intrati pe propria raspundere!

Daca lasi masina-n fatza, cauciucul tau va ofta!

The Unknown45.704 mesaje#316

Hmmm ...

Ramane sa tragem la sorti ... ca altfel va fi greu de stabilit gaina sau oul a fost prima inventie ...

Alfabet  secuiesc si maghiar din epoca de broz ca dovada ca au existat deja semne de comunicare!!!

"a szekely rovasiras"


tadayo a scris:

Sau: Caine rau!

Cainele musca!!!

Vriies15.596 mesaje#317

Mi se pare mie sau ești un picuț supărat pe nația română? :D Oricum, mi se pare irelevant să-i băgăm colea pe Michio Kaku și Hawking...

Vriies15.596 mesaje#318

Revin cu întrebarea din capul topicului - și sper să nu vă supărați pe mine - care este cea mai veche nație din lume? Putem răspunde la o asemenea întrebare? Și dacă da, pe ce bază?

Editat Sâm 13 iun 2015 01:31

The Unknown45.704 mesaje#319
Vriies a scris:

Mi se pare mie sau ești un picuț supărat pe nația română? :D Oricum, mi se pare irelevant să-i băgăm colea pe Michio Kaku și Hawking...

Eu cu indivizi care provoca discutie inutila am cate ceva cate odata daca mi te-ai adresat ... ca suna a provocare!!!

tadayo4.078 mesaje#320

Cea mai veche natie sunt, probabil, africanii subsaharieni.

Cam 80 000-60 000 inaintea erei noastre.

Din Africa Centrala a inceput mareata epopee umana.

Teoria asta e bazata pe analiza ADN-ului mitocondrial, care e mai stabil, plus urme arheologice.

Limba lor o fi fost guturala, la inceput interjectii si onomatopee, apoi cuvinte cu mai multe intelesuri.

Raven se ocupa de cea mai veche limba europeana.

Chiar daca unele paronimii propuse de el sunt/par fanteziste, totusi e bine sa ne aplecam asupra originilor, tocmai pentru ca sunt invaluite in mister, si putini istorici au incercat sa le desluseasca.


Interesant:

"

By some 70,000 years ago, a part of the bearers of mitochondrial haplogroup L3 migrated from East Africa into the Near East. The date of this first wave of "out of Africa" migration was called into question in 2011, based on the discovery of stone tools in the United Arab Emirates, indicating the presence of modern humans between 100,000 and 125,000 years ago.[3][58] New research showing slower than previously thought genetic mutations in human DNA published in 2012, indicating a revised dating for the migration of between 90,000 and 130,000 years ago.[59]

Some scientists believe that only a few people left Africa in a single migration that went on to populate the rest of the world,[60] based in the fact that only descendents of L3 are found outside Africa. From that settlement, some others point to the possibility of several waves of expansion. For example, geneticist Spencer Wells says that the early travellers followed the southern coastline of Asia, crossed about 250 kilometres (155 mi) of sea, and colonized Australia by around 50,000 years ago. The Aborigines of Australia, Wells says, are the descendants of the first wave of migrations.[61]

It has been estimated that from a population of 2,000 to 5,000 individuals in Africa,[62] only a small group, possibly as few as 150 to 1,000 people, crossed the Red Sea.[63] Of all the lineages present in Africa only the female descendants of one lineage, mtDNA haplogroup L3, are found outside Africa. If there had been several migrations, one would expect descendants of more than one lineage to be found outside Africa. L3's female descendants, the M and N haplogroup lineages, are found in very low frequencies in Africa (although haplogroup M1 populations are very ancient and diversified in North and Northeast Africa) and appear to be more recent arrivals. A possible explanation is that these mutations occurred in East Africa shortly before the exodus and became the dominant haplogroups after the exodus from Africa through the founder effect. Alternatively, the mutations may have arisen shortly after the exodus from Africa.

Other scientists have proposed a multiple dispersal model according to which there were two migrations out of Africa, one across the Red Sea and along the coastal regions to India (the coastal route), which would be represented by haplogroup M. Another group of migrants with haplogroup N followed the Nile from East Africa, heading northwards and crossing into Asia through the Sinai. This group then branched in several directions, some moving into Europe and others heading east into Asia. This hypothesis is supported by the relatively late date of the arrival of modern humans in Europe as well as by both archaeological and DNA evidence. Results from mtDNA collected from aboriginal Malaysians called Orang Asli and the creation of a phylogentic tree indicate that the hapologroups M and N share characteristics with original African groups from approximately 85,000 years ago and share characteristics with sub-haplogroups among coastal southeast Asian regions, such as Australasia, the Indian Subcontinent, and throughout continental Asia, which had dispersed and separated from its African origins approximately 65,000 years ago. This southern coastal dispersion would have occurred before the original theory of dispersion through the Levant approximately 45,000 years ago.[64] This hypothesis attempts to explain why haplogroup N is predominant in Europe and why haplogroup M is absent in Europe. Evidence of the coastal migration is hypothesized to have been destroyed by the rise in sea levels during the Holocene epoch.[65][66] Alternatively, a small European founder population that initially expressed both haplogroup M and N could have lost haplogroup M through random genetic drift resulting from a bottleneck (i.e. a founder effect)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans

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