Religia islamica

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jeniffer a scris:

maleahi

Ceea ce Isus credea ca este in cer venea din spiritualitatea zeului care exista, cum scriitorii bibliei au povestit viata lui, nu inseamna ca era realitate, ci metafora. Om nu se poate naste fara spermatozoid omenesc.

clonarea se face fara spermatozoid

dillema a scris:

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YUSUFALI: Did ye think that ye would enter Heaven without Allah testing those of you who fought hard (In His Cause) and remained steadfast?

PICKTHAL: Or deemed ye that ye would enter paradise while yet Allah knoweth not those of you who really strive, nor knoweth those (of you) who are steadfast?

SHAKIR: Do you think that you will enter the garden while Allah has not yet known those who strive hard from among you, and (He has not) known the patient.

"Sau ati crezut voi ca veti intra in Rai fara ca Allah sa-I stie pe cei care au luptat dintre voli si sa-I stie pe cei care au fost statornici?"

Allah nu stie cine va intra in paradis sau nu, deci Allah are nevoie sa trimita oamenii sa lupte sa moara pentru el pentru a sti cine va intra in paradis

cuvantul lupta nu se refera strict la raboi!

lupta se cheama si atunci cand faci tot ceea ce tu poti pe cale amiabila pt a face cunoscuta religia ta

si atunci cand cauti un loc de munca tot lupta se cheama pt ca te lupti pt a obtine un post bun nu?

cuvantul lupta are mai multe intelesuri!!!!!

maleahi

Ceea ce Isus credea ca este in cer venea din spiritualitatea zeului care exista, cum scriitorii bibliei au povestit viata lui, nu inseamna ca era realitate, ci metafora. Om nu se poate naste fara spermatozoid omenesc.

LUCA 1;

30.

mahaui a scris:

cuvantul lupta nu se refera strict la raboi!

lupta se cheama si atunci cand faci tot ceea ce tu poti pe cale amiabila pt a face cunoscuta religia ta

si atunci cand cauti un loc de munca tot lupta se cheama pt ca te lupti pt a obtine un post bun nu?

cuvantul lupta are mai multe intelesuri!!!!!

si lupta cu femeile captive tot jihad se numea??si am vazut noi pana acum ce inseamna "lupta" in coran

am o intrebare...impartasita si de altii in forumul asta, la care am si raspunsul bineinteles dar as doi si opinia voasta

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25949

"I always heard that Islam requires 4 witnesses to prove rape. (That's why, may alleged rapists have been able to escape punishment under the sharia law.)

But when I read that verse (24:4) in the Quran, it was acutally designed/its emphasis was to curb slanderous accusations of ADULTERY, rather than to lay down laws for the punishment of RAPE as such. These 2 are very different conducts - 1 harms, the other doesn't (well, if you believe in consensual sex).

If that is the case, I wonder if there is any other verses in the Quran which specifically punishes RAPE (not adultery)?

If not, the following questions arise:

1, Is it true that the Quran only punishes adultery? (So, Islamic jurists have tried to create rape law based on those verses on adultery?)

2, Why didn't the Quran punish rape? Could it be that (IF all the slanders and accusations against Prophet Mohamed that he and his Jihadists are war criminals, robbers and rapists are true) if there is such a law, these Muslims themselves would have been the first to be punished? "

"Eu intotdeauna am auzit ca Islamul cere 4 martori sa dovedeasca violul. (De aceea, multi violatori au avut posibilitatea sa scape nepedepsiti dupa legea Sharia.

Dar cand am citit acele versete (24/4) din Coran, a fost de fapt desemnata/ accentuata sa tina frau calomnioaselor acuzatii de ADULTER, mai degraba decat sa puna lehi pentru pedepsirea Violului.

Acestea doua sunt comportari foarte diferite : raul, celalalt nu il simte (doar daca crezit in sexul consensual) . Daca acesta este cazul, ma intreb exista un alt verset in Qoran care sa specufuce pedeapsa VIOLULUI(nu adulterului).

Daca nu, apar aceste intrebari:

1. Este adevarat ca Coranul pedepseste doar adulterul? (Deci, juristii islamici au incercat sa creeze o lege bazata pe aceasta lege a adulterului?)

2. De ce Coranul nu a pedepsit violul? Ar putea fi asta (daca toate calomniile si acuzatiile impotriva Profetului Mohamed ca el si luptatorii lui erau criminali de razboi, hoti si violatori sunt adevarate) daca exista o astfel de lege acesti Musulmani ei insisi sunt primii care ar trebui pedepsiti?"

"No, rape is not mentioned specifically with punishment.

However seeing this deficiency, Islamic law has broadened the requirement for proof of adultery, to extend it to rape as well.

If a woman claims she was raped then:

(a) If she wasn't wearing a hijab it was her fault

(b) If she attracted attention to herself in any way, its her fault

© If she did not "guard her chastity" then it is her fault.

(d) If she cannot bring forth 4 witnesses to prove it was rape, then she has already admitted to having sex illegally, so she gets punishment for adultery."

Nu, violul nu este pentionat ca o pedeapsa specifica.

Totusi observand aceasta deficienta, Legea Islamica a largit cerintele pentru adulter, sa o exstinda si pentru viol de asemenea.

Daca femeia reclama ca a fost violata atunci:

- daca nu purta hadjab A FOST VINA EI

- daca a atras atentia asupra ei A VOST VINA EI

- daca nu si-a pazit castitatea A FOST VINA EI

- daca nu poate aduce 4 martori sa dovedeasca ca a fost violata, atunci ea deja a admis ca a facut sex ilegal DECI EA VA FI PEDEPSITA PENTRU ADULTER

"Yes! You are absolutely right! Muhammad knew that he would have to prove himself a hypocrite to indtroduce such a "law", but that doesn't really matter; Muhammad (and real muslims) do not consider women anything but tools for sex and factories for babies.

So you have:

1, Right-Hand possessions - slaves/captives (you can rape them)

2. Permenant Wives ( Its your Allah commanded right to 'tilth' them whenever and however you damn well WANT)

3. Temporary Marriages ( who the heck cares, right? If they complain kick them to the curb!)

4. Lots and lots of dirty kafirs who you can have your way with, and recieve rewards in heaven for "teaching them a lesson" sheesh.

Now kiddies, please remember that whenever we participate in immoral acts, the first thing we must remember to do often, is shout: "Allahu Akbar!" "

Da, ai absoluta dreptate! Mohamed a stiut ca ca fi el insusi un ipocrit sa induca asemenea lege, dar nu prea conta; Mohamed (un adevarat musulman) nu considera femeia decat un instrument de sex si facor de facut copii.

Deci ai:

1. Posesia mainii drepte- sclave, captive ( poti sa le violezi)

2. Sotii permanente ( Allah ti-a comandat dreptul sa le fortezi cand si cum doresti )

3. Casatorii cu termen limitat ( cui ii pasa, asa-i? daca se plang tinele in frau!)

4. MUlti kafiri ticalosi, primeau rasplata in paradis pentru a le invata lectii de stralucire.

Acum gluma, te rog sa iti amintesti totusi cand participam la acte imorale, primul lucru care trebuie sa il spunem este sa spui: "allahu akbar"

versete care aproba violul.

2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...t.html#008.3371

mai multe informatii

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemhttp://ww...tMuslimRape.htm

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2726758

maleahi a scris:

DA ASA SPUNE DOMNUL ISUS .....dar EL spune .....femeie nici eu nu te condamn ..du -te si nu mai pacatuii!!!.....aici este esenta...sa nu mai pacatuiasca...

deci da fiecare dreptul la MANTUIRE ,CE TE MAI AGITI!

pana una alta daca ai ceva de spus despre islam...

dillema a scris:

versete care aproba violul.

2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad).

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Book 008, Number 3371:

Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/h...t.html#008.3371

mai multe informatii

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

http://www.islam-watch.org/Archemhttp://ww...tMuslimRape.htm

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2726758

deci da fiecare dreptul la MANTUIRE ,CE TE MAI AGITI!

pana una alta daca ai ceva de spus despre islam...

in curand am sa va scriu toata traducerea qoranului in limba romana pe forum pt a numai exista asfel de calomniii! daca traduci din limba engleza un text fa-o corect sau verifica-ti informatiile inainte de a le posta!

mahaui a scris:

in curand am sa va scriu toata traducerea qoranului in limba romana pe forum pt a numai exista asfel de calomniii! daca traduci din limba engleza un text fa-o corect sau verifica-ti informatiile inainte de a le posta!

ca si pana acum? abia astept

Interesanta lupta de urmarit, acu ` cateva zile! Insa devine foarte plictisitoare.

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Interesanta lupta de urmarit, acu ` cateva zile! Insa devine foarte plictisitoare.

DA ....si fara rost ,si fara un final cooperant,fara HAPY END.!! BA CHAIR TRIST SI DEZOLANT...

18. Copilaşilor, să nu iubim cu vorba, nici cu limba, ci cu fapta şi cu adevărul.

19. Prin aceasta vom cunoaşte că suntem din adevăr, şi ne vom linişti inimile

dillema a scris:

si lupta cu femeile captive tot jihad se numea??si am vazut noi pana acum ce inseamna "lupta" in coran

am o intrebare...impartasita si de altii in forumul asta, la care am si raspunsul bineinteles dar as doi si opinia voasta

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25949

"I always heard that Islam requires 4 witnesses to prove rape. (That's why, may alleged rapists have been able to escape punishment under the sharia law.)

But when I read that verse (24:4) in the Quran, it was acutally designed/its emphasis was to curb slanderous accusations of ADULTERY, rather than to lay down laws for the punishment of RAPE as such. These 2 are very different conducts - 1 harms, the other doesn't (well, if you believe in consensual sex).

If that is the case, I wonder if there is any other verses in the Quran which specifically punishes RAPE (not adultery)?

If not, the following questions arise:

1, Is it true that the Quran only punishes adultery? (So, Islamic jurists have tried to create rape law based on those verses on adultery?)

2, Why didn't the Quran punish rape? Could it be that (IF all the slanders and accusations against Prophet Mohamed that he and his Jihadists are war criminals, robbers and rapists are true) if there is such a law, these Muslims themselves would have been the first to be punished? "

"Eu intotdeauna am auzit ca Islamul cere 4 martori sa dovedeasca violul. (De aceea, multi violatori au avut posibilitatea sa scape nepedepsiti dupa legea Sharia.

Dar cand am citit acele versete (24/4) din Coran, a fost de fapt desemnata/ accentuata sa tina frau calomnioaselor acuzatii de ADULTER, mai degraba decat sa puna lehi pentru pedepsirea Violului.

Acestea doua sunt comportari foarte diferite : raul, celalalt nu il simte (doar daca crezit in sexul consensual) . Daca acesta este cazul, ma intreb exista un alt verset in Qoran care sa specufuce pedeapsa VIOLULUI(nu adulterului).

Daca nu, apar aceste intrebari:

1. Este adevarat ca Coranul pedepseste doar adulterul? (Deci, juristii islamici au incercat sa creeze o lege bazata pe aceasta lege a adulterului?)

2. De ce Coranul nu a pedepsit violul? Ar putea fi asta (daca toate calomniile si acuzatiile impotriva Profetului Mohamed ca el si luptatorii lui erau criminali de razboi, hoti si violatori sunt adevarate) daca exista o astfel de lege acesti Musulmani ei insisi sunt primii care ar trebui pedepsiti?"

"No, rape is not mentioned specifically with punishment.

However seeing this deficiency, Islamic law has broadened the requirement for proof of adultery, to extend it to rape as well.

If a woman claims she was raped then:

(a) If she wasn't wearing a hijab it was her fault

(b) If she attracted attention to herself in any way, its her fault