O eventuala reintroducere a pedepsei cu moartea

Dulcica a scris:

Ideea era ca poate pentru cineva, moartea nu e tocmai o pedeapsa... :D

Ar fi bine sa ne gindim ca de fapt pedepsind cu moartea ne apropiem prea mult de supliciul ca pedeapsa, aplicat in secolele trecute si care avea ca scop de fapt pastrarea sentimentului de frica in rindul maselor si nu disparitia criminalului. Pe vremuri pedeapsa cu moartea era un spectacol menit a pastra la putere autoritatile folosind cel mai puternic instrument de manevra- frica. Uneori nici nu conta macar daca cel executat era sau nu vinovat, executiile trebuiau oricum sa aiba loc periodic si in locuri publice. Ceea ce poate mai putini cunosc este ca pornind de la astfel de evenimente s-au declansat multe revolte si chiar revolutii. Nu o data publicul printr-un complicat proces de identitificare-empatizare ajunge sa se identifice si sa fraternizezecu condamnatul, si atunci autoritatile au obtinut exact contrariul a ceea ce si-au propus, de aceea de la un moment dat executiile aveau loc la adapost de privirile publice, in incinte specializate in cadrul penitenciarelor. Ar fi prea multe de spus, dar inca un lucru ar mai incape aici: si anume acela ca prin executie/supliciu, practic autoritatea se coboara la nivelul de conduita si exprimare in fapte al celui ca a comis faradelegea, sau chiar il depaseste. Lucru total inutil , deoarece practic nimeni nu cistiga ceva de pe urma mortii vinovatului. Si inca ceva: un om tocmai este indreptatit de autoritati sa comita o crima...ma refer la calau...chiar daca este vorba de un simplu intrerupator este tot calau nu?

Din ce bani sunt intretinuti condamnatii despre care se vorbeste pe acest topic ?

S-a scris foarte mult pe tema asta ...S-au adus foarte multe argumente pro si contra, de la cele mai solide la cele mai puerile...Cert este ca death penalty a pierdut foarte multi fani in ultimul timp...pina si in USA.

Asta cred... este un fapt notabil...

Wahaha a scris:

Din ce bani sunt intretinuti condamnatii despre care se vorbeste pe acest topic ?

din banii contribuabililor draga wahaha, din banii nostri Ce ironie a sortii.....Nu-i asa? Criminalul iti omoara copilul iar tu vei plati pentru ca el sa duca un trai linistit protejat de drepturile omului in puscarie. Sa aiba, haine, mancare, TV, unele puscarii au chiar acces la internet...etc.

...Dar de ce sa nu ii protejam domnilor?! :D De ce sa fim la randul nostru criminali? Ca doar au si ei drepturile lor...... ;)

Multumesc.

spider a scris:

din banii contribuabililor draga wahaha, din banii nostri Ce ironie a sortii.....Nu-i asa? Criminalul iti omoara copilul iar tu vei plati pentru ca el sa duca un trai linistit protejat de drepturile omului in puscarie. Sa aiba, haine, mancare, TV, unele puscarii au chiar acces la internet...etc.

...Dar de ce sa nu ii protejam domnilor?! :D De ce sa fim la randul nostru criminali? Ca doar au si ei drepturile lor...... ;)

Incorrect...

Financial costs to taxpayers of capital punishment is several times that of keeping someone in prison for life. Most people don't realize that carrying out one death sentence costs 2-5 times more than keeping that same criminal in prison for the rest of his life. How can this be? It has to do with the endless appeals, additional required procedures, and legal wrangling that drag the process out. It's not unusual for a prisoner to be on death row for 15-20 years. Judges, attorneys, court reporters, clerks, and court facilities all require a substantial investment by the taxpayers. Do we really have the resources to waste?

NEW VOICES: Texas Paper Calls for Halt to Executions

The San Antonio Express-News, which supports the death penalty, recently called for a halt to executions in Texas because of concerns about the ongoing problems at the Houston Crime Lab. The Express-News stated:

This month, New Jersey lawmakers voted to halt executions while a task force reviews the fairness and costs of imposing the death penalty.

Texas should consider doing the same but for slightly different reasons.

The disturbing facts coming out of an independent investigation into cases handled by the Houston Police Department lab beg for a temporary suspension of executions, at least until all cases the lab handled are reviewed.

In a report issued this month, an independent investigator stated the Houston Police Department crime lab failed to report evidence that might have helped criminal defendants and found errors in almost one-third of the cases reviewed, the Houston Chronicle reported.

Among the cases in which the investigator found problems are three involving death row inmates. That is deeply disturbing.

Texas is one of 38 states with a death penalty. At least 13 states have appointed study commissions. Texas should do the same.

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Texas needs to halt further use of the execution chamber until all the evidence used to condemn defendants, especially those from Harris County, is scientifically validated.

There are 410 prisoners on Texas' death row, 143 of them from Harris County. Some of those cases go back to 1976 and were not part of the initial review by the independent investigator, which looked only at cases between 1987 and 2002.

The investigator has now extended his review to include cases going back to 1980.

The state has good reason to delay the 11 executions scheduled through April, including one set for today.

The integrity of the Texas criminal justice system, which is responsible for one-third of the executions in this country, is at stake.

We are not against the death penalty, but the state must be certain that innocent people are not executed.

source: (San Antonio Express-News, January 19, 2006).

Ares444 a scris:

Incorrect...

Financial costs to taxpayers of capital punishment is several times that of keeping someone in prison for life. Most people don't realize that carrying out one death sentence costs 2-5 times more than keeping that same criminal in prison for the rest of his life. How can this be? It has to do with the endless appeals, additional required procedures, and legal wrangling that drag the process out. It's not unusual for a prisoner to be on death row for 15-20 years. Judges, attorneys, court reporters, clerks, and court facilities all require a substantial investment by the taxpayers. Do we really have the resources to waste?

Ce era incorect draga Ares? ;) puteai spune ca informatia mea nu e completa insa nu ca ar fi incorecta. Nu e asa?

Chiar daca aceste costuri de a trimite la moarte un criminal sunt mai ridicate decat tinerea lui in puscarie, eu una, daca al meu copil si-ar fi gasit sfarsitul intr-o astfel de imprejurare (nu am copii inca, insa, sa presupunem prin absurd ca s-ar intampla), eu as plati singura costurile unei astfel de pedepse decat sa platesc toata viata taxe la stat pentru bunastarea acestor fiare cu chip de om.

:D

Nu era vorba doar de americani. Si din bugetul public sunt intretinuti fie si indirect.

spider a scris:

Ce era incorect draga Ares? ;) puteai spune ca informatia mea nu e completa insa nu ca ar fi incorecta. Nu e asa?

Chiar daca aceste costuri de a trimite la moarte un criminal sunt mai ridicate decat tinerea lui in puscarie, eu una, daca al meu copil si-ar fi gasit sfarsitul intr-o astfel de imprejurare (nu am copii inca, insa, sa presupunem prin absurd ca s-ar intampla), eu as plati singura costurile unei astfel de pedepse decat sa platesc toata viata taxe la stat pentru bunastarea acestor fiare cu chip de om.

:D

Da, indiscutabil, puteam sa spun ca info tau nu era complet.

However asa cum am mai afirmat s-au adus foarte multe argumente pro si con. Cele mai multe pleaca, asa cum stii si tu foarte bine, de la sistemul de abordare: empirical vs. rational... nu as vrea sa intru in amanunte asupra celor doua sisteme.

Cert este ca numarul fanilor descreste in fiecare zi. Si asta este un lucru bun, cred eu .

Should the death penalty be banned as a form of punishment?

In a Nutshell

YES

1. Financial costs to taxpayers of capital punishment is several times that of keeping someone in prison for life.

2. It is barbaric and violates the "cruel and unusual" clause in the Bill of Rights.

3. The endless appeals and required additional procedures clog our court system.

4. We as a society have to move away from the "eye for an eye" revenge mentality if civilization is to advance.

5. It sends the wrong message: why kill people who kill people to show killing is wrong.

6. Life in prison is a worse punishment and a more effective deterrent.

7. Other countries (especially in Europe) would have a more favorable image of America.

8. Some jury members are reluctant to convict if it means putting someone to death.

9. The prisoner's family must suffer from seeing their loved one put to death by the state.

10. The possibility exists that innocent men and women may be put to death.

11. Mentally ill patients may be put to death.

12. It creates sympathy for the monsterous perpetrators of the crimes.

13. It is useless in that it doesn't bring the victim back to life.

NO

1. The death penalty gives closure to the victim's families who have suffered so much.

2. It creates another form of crime deterrent.

3. Justice is better served.

4. Our justice system shows more sympathy for criminals than it does victims.

5. It provides a deterrent for prisoners already serving a life sentence.

6. DNA testing can now effectively eliminate uncertainty as to a person's guilt or innocence.

sa stii ca eu respect parerea pacifistilor chiar daca nu fraternizez. :D