Kahila a scris:Dar tu cum sti anii asa bine? :P
E pe dreeaq laic.Israelul este stat rasist, pentru ca nu exista alta alternativa care sa permita subzistenta statului poporului evreu. Renuntarea la politica de apartheid ar fi fatala statului evreiesc, evreii ramanand sa fie asimilati de natiunile din jurul lor intr-un melting in care ar dispare ca entitate insusi poporul evreu.Pe urma, Israelul nu are Constitutie pentru ca multi evrei credeau (si cred inca) ca nu are nevoie de asa ceva, deoarece constitutia Israelului ar fi Tora.
Deci, Israelul nu poate fi privit nici ca stat liberal-democratic (pentru ca si nici ca stat laic deoarece statul are fundament religios. Punct
De unde stiu? Pai Israel chiar este stat laic. Nu mai putin decit multe alte state. Daca este rasist, asa cum scrii, oare e obligatoriu sa fie stat religios? Evreii nu au fost asimilati in 2000 de ani. De ce tocmai acum? Care este logica? Cit despre Constitutie... Ai un link care sa dovedeasca ca ar fi Tora? Scuze, dar asta este o prostie.
Kahila a scris:Japonia era constienta ca pierduse razboiul numai ca spera ca intr-un razboi de uzura sa le faca americanilor cat mai multe pierderi.
URSS deja le declarase razboi , intrase in Manciuria, totul era o chestiune de timp, nu se merita sa mai piarda atatia oameni pentru Japonia . Dar sant situatii diferite...
Sant curioasa ce ai fi zis daca traiai in Palestina... 
Si care sa fie, totusi, telul Hamas-ului? Vor ei sa elibereze Gaza? Gaza este libera din 2005. Singurul asupritor al Gazei este insusi Hamas-ul.
vali_ a scris:nu a zis nimeni ca nu va stiti istoria ci doar ca afisati doar ce va convine din ea .

special partea cu 6 milioane de evrei morti in ww2 ce imi place o sa iti caut un articol sa vezi ce numaratoare exacta era in perioada aia si cum sa ajuns la 6 milioane doar evrei

Atunci a fost Holocaust sau nu a fost. Si daca nu au fost ucisi sase milioane de evrei, atunci citi?
Cleric Preston a scris:japonia se astepta la un razboi de uzura, numai ca vezi, americanii nu erau prosti, ei stiau ca un inamic trebuie ingenunchiat si apoi aproape zdrobit ca sa-i vina mintea la cap
asa ca dupa ce i-au zdrobit pe japonezi la propriu, le-au intins mana si i-au ridicat din cenusa, pentru ca americanii nu aveau nimic personal cu japonezii
poti avea ceva personal cu un popor aflat in psihoza de masa? te poti cobori la mintea nebunului? doar daca esti ca el
asa si evreii, ei nu au nimic personal cu palestinienii, nici nu se vor cobori vreodata la nivelul lor, diferenta intre cele doua natii e uriasa....dar printr-un razboi de uzura nu se va rezolva nimic, ca dovada cei 60 de ani de frecusuri
solutia era ca 3/4 din populatia gazei sa fie stearsa, wiped up, sau expulzati in Sinai, trimisi departe, la fratii lor musulmani din Egipt, sa le dea aia grau si benzina
asa, iarasi se reia rahatul la infinit
de o parte evreii trebuie sa traiasca in buncare, de cealalta parte, din proprie alegere, palestinienii s-au decis sa traiasca in mizerie crunta
Nu. Populatia Gazei nu trebuie "stearsa". Ce idee! Nimeni in Israel nu vrea holocaust palestinian.
Iata un apel primit prin e mail:
"Youssef M. Ibrahim, is a former New York Times Middle East Correspondent and Wall Street Journal Energy Editor for 25 years, a freelance writer based in New York City and Dubai in the United Arab Emirates .
To my Arab brothers: The War with Israel Is Over - and they won. Now let us finally move forward With Israel entering its fourth week of an incursion into the same Gaza Strip it voluntarily evacuated a few months ago, a sense of reality among Arabs is spreading through commentary by Arab pundits, letters to the editor, and political talk shows on Arabic-language TV networks. The new views are stunning both in their maturity and in their realism. The best way I can think of to convey them is in the form of a letter to the Palestinian Arabs from their Arab friends:
Dear Palestinian Arab brethren:
The war with Israel is over.
You have lost. Surrender and negotiate to secure a future for your children.
We, your Arab brothers, may say until we are blue in the face that we stand by you, but the wise among you and most of us know that we are moving on, away from the tired old idea of the Palestinian Arab cause and the "eternal struggle" with Israel.
Dear friends, you and your leaders have wasted three generations trying to fight for Palestine, but the truth is the Palestine you could have had in 1948 is much bigger than the one you could have had in 1967, which in turn is much bigger than what you may have to settle for now or in another 10 years. Struggle means less land and more misery and utter loneliness.
At the moment, brothers, you would be lucky to secure a semblance of a state in that Gaza Strip into which you have all crowded, and a small part of the West Bank of the Jordan . It is not going to get better.
Time is running out even for this much land, so here are some facts, figures, and sound advice, friends.
You hold keys, which you drag out for television interviews, to houses that do not exist or are inhabited by Israelis who have no intention of leaving in Jaffa , Haifa , Tel Aviv, or West Jerusalem .
You shoot old guns at modern Israeli tanks and American-made fighter jets, doing virtually no harm to Israel while bringing the wrath of its mighty army down upon you.
You fire ridiculously inept Kassam rockets that cause little destruction and delude yourselves into thinking this is a war of liberation. Your government, your social institutions, your schools, and your economy are all in ruins.
Your young people are growing up illiterate, ill, and bent on rites of death and suicide, while you, in effect, are living on the kindness of foreigners, including America and the United Nations.
Every day your officials must beg for your daily bread, dependent on relief trucks that carry food and medicine into the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, while your criminal Muslim fundamentalist Hamas government continues to fan the flames of a war it can neither fight nor hope to win.
In other words, brothers, you are down, out, and alone in a burnt-out landscape that is shrinking by the day.
What kind of struggle is this? Is it worth waging at all? More important, what kind of miserable future does it portend for your children, the fourth or fifth generation of the Arab world's have-nots?
We, your Arab brothers, have moved on. Those of us who have oil money are busy accumulating wealth and building housing, luxury developments, state-of-the-art universities and schools, and new highways and byways. Those of us who share borders with Israel , such Egypt and Jordan , have signed a peace treaty with it and are not going to war for you any time soon. Those of us, who are far away, in places like North Africa and Iraq , frankly could not care less about what happens to you.
Only Syria continues to feed your fantasies that someday it will join you in liberating Palestine , even though a huge chunk of its territory, the entire Golan Heights, was taken by Israel in 1967 and annexed. The Syrians, my friends, will gladly fight down to the last Palestinian Arab.
Before you got stuck with this Hamas crowd, another cheating, conniving, leader of yours, Yasser Arafat, sold you a rotten bill of goods - more pain, greater corruption, and millions stolen by his relatives - while your children played in the sewers of Gaza.
The war is over.
Why not let a new future begin? "