Ce spuneti in legatura cu Fitna al germanului Wilders

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Is slavery still legal in Islam?

The answer is that slavery is legal under Islamic law but only in theory. Slavery is illegal under the state law of all Muslim countries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/is...slavery_2.shtml

Daca stai sa compari rata emigratiei din statele musulmane vei descoperi ca este cu mult mai inferioara decit cea a emigratiei din alte tari din lume. Daca in orientul mijlociu este chiar asa de mizerie si oamenii sunt chiar asa primitivi precum spui tu,ma intreb oare sub ce criterii si calificari ar putea ei emigra asa in valuri imense spre vest? Au schimbat tarile occidentale criteriile de emigrare peste noapte cind e vorba de musulmani sau cum?

Exemplu: Stii cit dureaza pentru un indian din India sa i se proceseze si aprobe dosarul pentru emigrare in orice tara fosta colonie britanica? 1 luna. Dupa care poate sa-si aduca intregul familion indiferent de varsta sau calificari profesionale.

Stii cit dureaza acelasi proces pentru un musulman din orientul mijlociu? De la 2 la 4 ani. Dupa care nu poate sa sponsoreze decit parinti sau frati si surori pina in 18 ani si asta tinind cont deasemenea de cum se califica.

Pentru informatia ta,poligamia este practicata rar in rindurile musulmanilor in ziua de azi,iar cei care o practica..fi tu sigur ca-i tine contul la banca sa-si permita mai mult de o familie si nici nu emigreaza.Citeste si tu despre conditiile pe care un barbat musulman trebuie sa le indeplineasca pentru a i se permite mai mult de o casatorie simultan. Sau crezi ca fiecare face ce vrea de capul lui?

Cit despre nasterea ridicata,ce sa mai spun.....ia drept exemplu India,Africa si China a caror populatie impreuna face cit 100 orienturi mijlocii la un loc.

Paralizarea acestor orase nu se face prin emigrarea cinstita a unor oameni indiferent de unde provin ei si ce religie urmeaza.Paralizarea despre care vorbesti s-a facut prin potopul de criminali,tigani,bisnitari si low-lifes est europeni care au ajuns prin tarile civilizate din vestul Europei si au facut ce au facut.Need I say more?

Dovezi ca indienilor li se proceseaza dosarul intr-o luna ai? Indienilor li se aplica aceleasi criterii ca celorlalti nu te mai abala la informatii false. Mai revizuesteti informatiile. In Italia, Germania, Spania, Canada sunt musulmani poligami si culmea primesc welfare pe fiecare femeiusca. Cum ti se pare? Daca in aceste tari sunt mii de poligami musulmani (veniti ca refugiati caci la imigratie li se cere respectarea legilor tarii)...gandeste-te ce e tarile musulmane.

Iar referitor la sclavie, iti aduc la cunostinta ca sclavia se practica chiar intre musulmani in Africa, Saudia, Maroc etc. Acum e teorie cat sunt tinuti in frau....cand se vor dezlantui atunci sclavie!!! Deja sunt mii de cazuri de femei violate in tarile vestice privite ca prada de razboi

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Dovezi ca indienilor li se proceseaza dosarul intr-o luna ai? Indienilor li se aplica aceleasi criterii ca celorlalti nu te mai abala la informatii false. Mai revizuesteti informatiile. In Italia, Germania, Spania, Canada sunt musulmani poligami si culmea primesc welfare pe fiecare femeiusca. Cum ti se pare? Daca in aceste tari sunt mii de poligami musulmani (veniti ca refugiati caci la imigratie li se cere respectarea legilor tarii)...gandeste-te ce e tarile musulmane.

Iar referitor la sclavie, iti aduc la cunostinta ca sclavia se practica chiar intre musulmani in Africa, Saudia, Maroc etc. Acum e teorie cat sunt tinuti in frau....cand se vor dezlantui atunci sclavie!!! Deja sunt mii de cazuri de femei violate in tarile vestice privite ca prada de razboi

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Draga Sinoe :

" At the same time, even within societies which allow polygamy, the actual practice of polygamy often occurs only rarely. To take on more than one wife often requires considerable financial resources: this may put polygamy beyond the means of the vast majority of people within those societies. Such appears the case in many traditional Islamic societies, and in Imperial China. "

Polygamy and religion

Hinduism

In Hinduism, polygamy was practiced since ancient times. Hinduism does not prohibit polygamy, nor encourage it. The reason for this is because to have more than one wife, again means to be able to support them financially.And as mentioned before, Indian religions allow women to marry more than one man.

Judaism

Although classical Jewish literature indicates that polygamy was permitted, the various segments of Judaism have now outlawed polygamy.The first was Ashkenazi Jewry, which followed Rabbenu Gershom's ban since the 11th century. However, there are some who claim the ban was a temporary measure that no longer applies according to the Jewish law and want to restore polygamy.Many Jewish families from countries such as Iran and Yemen were assimilated to the general common culture of a family made up of a man, two or more wives, and their children.

Christian

Saint Augustine demonstrated the conflict with Old Testament polygamy in The Good of Marriage (chapter 15, paragraph 17), where he wrote that though it "was lawful among the ancient fathers: whether it be lawful now also, I would not hastily pronounce. For there is not now necessity of begetting children, as there then was, when, even when wives bear children, it was allowed, in order to a more numerous posterity, to marry other wives in addition, which now is certainly not lawful." He declined to judge the patriarchs, but did not deduce from their practice the ongoing acceptability of polygamy.

Periodically, Christian reform movements that have aimed at rebuilding Christian doctrine based on the Bible alone (sola scriptura) have at least temporarily accepted polygamy as a Biblical practice. During the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther advised Philip of Hesse that although he found nothing unbiblical about polygamy, he should keep his second marriage a secret to avoid public scandal. The radical Anabaptists of M

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Draga Sinoe :

" At the same time, even within societies which allow polygamy, the actual practice of polygamy often occurs only rarely. To take on more than one wife often requires considerable financial resources: this may put polygamy beyond the means of the vast majority of people within those societies. Such appears the case in many traditional Islamic societies, and in Imperial China. "

Polygamy and religion

Hinduism

In Hinduism, polygamy was practiced since ancient times. Hinduism does not prohibit polygamy, nor encourage it. The reason for this is because to have more than one wife, again means to be able to support them financially.And as mentioned before, Indian religions allow women to marry more than one man.

Judaism

Although classical Jewish literature indicates that polygamy was permitted, the various segments of Judaism have now outlawed polygamy.The first was Ashkenazi Jewry, which followed Rabbenu Gershom's ban since the 11th century. However, there are some who claim the ban was a temporary measure that no longer applies according to the Jewish law and want to restore polygamy.Many Jewish families from countries such as Iran and Yemen were assimilated to the general common culture of a family made up of a man, two or more wives, and their children.

Christian

Saint Augustine demonstrated the conflict with Old Testament polygamy in The Good of Marriage (chapter 15, paragraph 17), where he wrote that though it "was lawful among the ancient fathers: whether it be lawful now also, I would not hastily pronounce. For there is not now necessity of begetting children, as there then was, when, even when wives bear children, it was allowed, in order to a more numerous posterity, to marry other wives in addition, which now is certainly not lawful." He declined to judge the patriarchs, but did not deduce from their practice the ongoing acceptability of polygamy.

Periodically, Christian reform movements that have aimed at rebuilding Christian doctrine based on the Bible alone (sola scriptura) have at least temporarily accepted polygamy as a Biblical practice. During the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther advised Philip of Hesse that although he found nothing unbiblical about polygamy, he should keep his second marriage a secret to avoid public scandal. The radical Anabaptists of M

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La toate trei religiile poligamia s-a practicat mii de ani in urma cand aveau dubii privind identitatea femeii ca fiinta umana.

Curios,nu stiam ca in iudaism dar mai ales in crestinism existau dubii in privinta identitatii feminine. Daca nu era identificata ca fiinta umana...atunci ce era?

Si inca o intrebare...de ce oare femeia este cea oropsita in toate religii create pana acum?

In final...o afirmatie care nu include numai Islamul.

Cum puteti sta noaptea in pat cu barbatul vostru stiind ca oricand isi poate lua o noua achizitie si va trebui sa ii impartiti imbratisarile, sa stiti ca si-a bagat chestia in alt vagin si apoi vine la tine si face acelasi lucru cu nonsalanta doar pentru ca un dumnezeu creat, pedofil, mosogin si violent a spus asta.

Limbaj din asta nici macar nu este demn de vreun raspuns. 8)

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Curios,nu stiam ca in iudaism dar mai ales in crestinism existau dubii in privinta identitatii feminine. Daca nu era identificata ca fiinta umana...atunci ce era?

In final...o afirmatie care nu include numai Islamul

Limbaj din asta nici macar nu este demn de vreun raspuns. 8)

Oricum religia crestina si cea iudaica au fost in cele din urma moderate de dezvoltarea civilizatiei dar care si-au gasit resurse de a justifica pozitia importanta a femeii in societate...in islam este imposibil se pare...cum poti sa moderezi versetul 4/34 de exemplu?

Primitivii au dus o viata primitiva si nu ii poti judeca caci atat i-a putut duce capul...dar acum...fii serioasa, zii reginei Elisabeta ca e deficienta mental sau atator femei cu pozitii semnificative in afaceri, politica si stat.

Femeii nu i-a fost acordat dreptul la educatie, la politica, pozitii in societate ci folosita in a satisface nevoile barbatului. Aceste cuvinte sunt nimic in comparatie cu ce a patimit femeia in istorie...dar a luptat pentru drepturi alaturi de barbati care au stiut sa aprecieze contributia femeii in societate pe toate planurile...dar acum se pare cu expansiunea islamului situatia femeii se va deteriora si culmea in aplauzele femeii musulmance indoctrinata sa se subestimeze la maxim.

Situatia femeii acum mii de ani in iudaism si crestinism era cum e acum situatia femeii in islam in tarile musulmane ACUM si nu poti nega.

Limbaj? Dar ce zici de comportamentul lui Mohamed care a violat sclave, ucis infideli, abuzat copii, a incalcat drepturile omului in a-si implini scopurile murdare si egoiste si culmea s-a auto numit profet al divinitatii si mai mult...voi credeti aceasta minciuna?

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Limbaj? Dar ce zici de comportamentul lui Mohamed care a violat sclave, ucis infideli, abuzat copii, a incalcat drepturile omului in a-si implini scopurile murdare si egoiste si culmea s-a auto numit profet al divinitatii si mai mult...voi credeti aceasta minciuna?

Degeaba te echivezi atit. Eu port o discutie cu tine acum in prezent pe forum si am pretentie ca interlocutorul meu sa aiba un limbaj politicos si civilizat indiferent de ceea ce simte in sufletul sau sau crede in mintea sa.

Daca nu te poti abtine si conforma unui nivel minim de bun simt,spune asa si incheiem povestea.

Naeema a scris:

Degeaba te echivezi atit. Eu port o discutie cu tine acum in prezent pe forum si am pretentie ca interlocutorul meu sa aiba un limbaj politicos si civilizat indiferent de ceea ce simte in sufletul sau sau crede in mintea sa.

Daca nu te poti abtine si conforma unui nivel minim de bun simt,spune asa si incheiem povestea.

Cum se poate vorbi altfel cand e vorbade islam? Ce limbaj am expus care te-a ofensat decat ca am expus adevaruri islamice ?

Daca islamul nu e civilizat....asta e alta problema si nu ma acuza de lucruri care le-am citat doar. Din bun simt doresc sa fac cunoscut tuturor ce este islamul sa nu se rataceasca mai departe, e bine cateodata sa previi. O fata mai sfioasa cu ganduri de maritis cu un musulman daca poate ar citi despre adevarata fata a islamului, poate si-ar salva viitorul ei si viitorul copiilor ei

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Vai ce suflet bun ai si ce generos esti. 8)

Si eu care credeam ca ai alta agenda....rusine sa-mi fie.....phew....

deci asta e parerea ta in legatura cu filmul Fitna?