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A avut Isus Cristos o preexistenta inainte de nastere ?
Început de marinaru, Joi 13 dec 2007 · 222 răspunsuri · 30.111 vizualizări
zexelica a scris:Mai bine citesti cum defieste Scriptura PHANERON, verbul folosit in 1 Tim 3:16.
16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Nici intr-o traducere nu este scris ..ca FIUL s-a intrupat .///....ci ca DUMNEZEU s-a facut carne ... 
De ce nu scrie in VT ...de existenta unui Fiu vesnic in ceruri ..?De ce nu s-a rugat nimeni in VT ...Fiului ,daca exista ...? :flowers:
Repet ...
Isus Hristos ca trup ..a fost Fiul Omului //CA DUH //...ESTE INSUSI DUMNEZEU ...!El trebuia sa se dezbrace de SLAVA SA...si sa se faca om ..caci nu putea murii ca DUH ...!Nu Fiul s-a intrupat ...ci Dumnezeu si-a pregatit un trup ..ptr a locuii pe pamant cu oamenii. 
Editat Sâm 6 iun 2009 16:41
obadia a scris:
Nu este "Dumnezeu s-a manifestat in carne" ci "cel ce s-a manifestat in carne". Inlocuirea este facuta de trinitarieni in timp din nou dupa fuga disperata de argumente.
Nu este "Dumnezeu s-a manifestat in carne" ci "cel ce s-a manifestat in carne". Inlocuirea este facuta de trinitarieni in timp din nou dupa fuga disperata de argumente.
Doar in trad.cornilescu este scris ...CEl ce s-a aratat in carne ...toate traducerile au ..Dumnezeu s-a manifestat in trup...!
Tocmai ptr ca Cornilescu ..a motivat trad.1 Timo 3;16 ...fiind trinitar ortodox ...si a substituit Dumnezeu ...ptr a se subintelege ..ca FIUL s-a facut trup...pricepi ? :flowers:
obadia a scris:Doar in trad.cornilescu este scris ...CEl ce s-a aratat in carne ...toate traducerile au ..Dumnezeu s-a manifestat in trup...!Tocmai ptr ca Cornilescu ..a motivat trad.1 Timo 3;16 ...fiind trinitar ortodox ...si a substituit Dumnezeu ...ptr a se subintelege ..ca FIUL s-a facut trup...pricepi ?
Nu. Sunt foarte multe traduceri de limba engleza de exemplu care nu nu traduc cu Dumnezeu ci cu "cel ce". Primele manuscrise care au "Dumnezeu" in loc de "cel ce" sunt de prin 1700, manuscrisele bizantine. Nici un traducator sau copist nu ar inlocui "Dumnezeu" cu "cel cel" dar in schimb inlocuirea inversa a avut loc.
ASV 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the spirit, Seen of angels, Preached among the nations, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
BBE 1 Timothy 3:16 And without argument, great is the secret of religion: He who was seen in the flesh, who was given God's approval in the spirit, was seen by the angels, of whom the good news was given among the nations, in whom the world had faith, who was taken up in glory.
CJB 1 Timothy 3:16 Great beyond all question is the formerly hidden truth underlying our faith: He was manifested physically and proved righteous spiritually, seen by angels and proclaimed among the nations, trusted throughout the world and raised up in glory to heaven.
CSB 1 Timothy 3:16 And most certainly, the mystery of godliness is great: He was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
DRA 1 Timothy 3:16 And evidently great is the mystery of godliness, which was manifested in the flesh, was justified in the spirit, appeared unto angels, hath been preached unto the Gentiles, is believed in the world, is taken up in glory.
ERV 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; He who was manifested in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, received up in glory.
ESV 1 Timothy 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
ETH 1 Timothy 3:16 And truly great is this mystery of righteousness, which was revealed in the flesh, and justified by the Spirit, and seen of angels, and preached among the peoples, and believed in the world, and taken up into glory.
MGI 1 Timothy 3:16 and truly great is this mystery of uprightness, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified spiritually and was seen by angels and was preached among the Gentiles and was believed in the world and was taken up in glory.
MRD 1 Timothy 3:16 and truly great, is this mystery of righteousness, which was revealed in the flesh, and justified in the spirit, and seen by angels, and proclaimed among the Gentiles, and believed on in the world, and received up into glory.
NAB 1 Timothy 3:16 Undeniably great is the mystery of devotion, Who was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed to the Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory.
NAS 1 Timothy 3:16 And by common confession great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Beheld by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
NAU 1 Timothy 3:16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory.
NET 1 Timothy 3:16 And we all agree, our religion contains amazing revelation: He was revealed in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
NIB 1 Timothy 3:16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
NIV 1 Timothy 3:16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
NJB 1 Timothy 3:16 Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is very deep indeed: He was made visible in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed to the gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory.
NLT 1 Timothy 3:16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith: Christ was revealed in a human body and vindicated by the Spirit. He was seen by angels and announced to the nations. He was believed in throughout the world and taken to heaven in glory.
NRS 1 Timothy 3:16 Without any doubt, the mystery of our religion is great: He was revealed in flesh, vindicated in spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among Gentiles, believed in throughout the world, taken up in glory.
RSV 1 Timothy 3:16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
obadia a scris:Nici intr-o traducere nu este scris ..ca FIUL s-a intrupat .///....ci ca DUMNEZEU s-a facut carne ...
Si i se spune Fiu, corect. Insa este Dumnezeu.
Enki a scris:Deci: Dumnezeu sufla "nephesh"? Oricum ideea mea era: daca acest suflet este direct de la Dumnezeu, de ce atunci greseste? de ce risca sa nu fie salvat? De ce risca sa ajunga in iad?
Din cate am inteles nu sufletul e cel care greseste, ci duhul. Omul care asculta de poruncile lui Dumnezeu si le pazeste primeste un Duh nou si Sfant.
Probabil ca constiinta omului extrage informatiile din suflet, care este de la Dumnezeu. Iar daca omul nu asculta de constiinta sa, se departeaza de Dumnezeu si este judecat.
Editat Dum 7 iun 2009 14:35
Daca nu sufletul este cel care greseste de ce atunci exista versetul: "
Nu. Sunt foarte multe traduceri de limba engleza de exemplu care nu nu traduc cu Dumnezeu ci cu "cel ce". Primele manuscrise care au "Dumnezeu" in loc de "cel ce" sunt de prin 1700, manuscrisele bizantine. Nici un traducator sau copist nu ar inlocui "Dumnezeu" cu "cel cel" dar in schimb inlocuirea inversa a avut loc.
Varianta King James ...si trad germana al lui Luther ..este inaintea traducerilor engleze sau a celor bizantine ...mai studiaza .
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