Profetii False: Ellen G. White si alti guru

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Am citat de pe un site extraordinar:

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/rom/criticd.htm

Coana mare era ..........cutremurata puternic........

pai de unde puteai da tu,, fragmente ,, care sa-ti ,, cante ,, la ureche......decat tot de la

,, savanti binevoitori ,,.........si care daca citesti atent se mai si contrazic dupa cateva pagini.....

m-i se pare destul de buna caracterizarea lor de catre egw

http://www.azsromania.org/Experiente/Orbii.htm

Astfel de persoane, dupa cum am vazut, au o minte fireasca si prin urmare nu se supun Legii sfinte a lui Dumnezeu. Ei sunt in neintelegere unii cu altii, dar se lupta din greu in ciuda acestui lucru sa suceasca Scripturile cu logica lor, pentru a face o spartura in Legea lui Dumnezeu, pentru a schimba, a desfiinta sau a face orice cu porunca a patra, mai degraba decat sa o pazeasca. Ei doresc sa reduca la tacere turma in privinta acestui subiect; din aceasta pricina, ei nascocesc ceva cu speranta ca ii va linisti si ca multi dintre cei care ii urmeaza isi vor cerceta bibliile atat de putin incat conducatorii lor sa poata face cu usurinta ca ratacirea sa apara ca adevar si ei s-o primeasca in consecinta, neprivind mai sus decat conducatorii lor.

Să revenim la oile noastre................ahm........

Bates şi sf

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Să revenim la oile noastre................ahm........

Aceleasi vise care "au prezis" sfarsitul lumii, gen "a venit ingerul si mi-a zis ca...." sunt folosite ca sa explice tinearea sabatului in loc de duminica.

Această concluzie ironică trece cu vederea faptul că

daca zici ca esti crestin ai facut ,, baita ,, asa

cum a lasat model D-ul Hristos si apostolii.......sau si aici e loc de ,, interpretari ,,....

Am deschis topic despre botez. Vezi acolo ce s-a postat.

Acum, revenind la "oile noastre".........ahm............da..........sa reluam "discutia" despre marea profeteasa, idolul persoanelor care ignora Scriptura si citesc numai ce a scris coana mare.

Sa vedem ce a mai debitat conita.......... In episodul de azi.............coana mare s-a lovit la tartacuta si a visat ea ca sabatul evreiesc continua si in NT.....

The Significance of Ellen White's Head Injury

An Editorial Introduction

by Doug Hackleman, Editor, Adventist Currents, June 1985

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Mai ales daca s-a lovit la cap...

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Mai ales daca s-a lovit la cap...

Unde umbli, soro? Chiar aşa? Mă laşi aici-işa cu lioliuk singur?

Hai, că mai pun astea care sunt tari rău de tot!!!! Coana Leana care contrazice Scriptura........

7 More Bible Contradictions

Ellen White versus the Holy Bible

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Here are seven more direct contradictions by Ellen White of the Holy Bible:

1. Did Satan Deceive Adam?

Ellen White

Satan, who is the father of lies, deceived Adam in a similar way, telling him that he need not obey God, that he would not die if he transgressed the law. Evangelism, p. 598.

Holy Bible And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 1 Timothy 2:14

NOTE: In Genesis 3:12-13 the Bible says Eve was "deceived" by the serpent, but never says anything about Adam being deceived.

2. Was Israel destroyed by Gluttony?

Ellen White

God granted their desire, giving them flesh, and leaving them to eat till their gluttony produced a plague. Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 148

Holy Bible

But while the meat was still between their teeth and before it could be consumed, the anger of the Lord burned against the people, and he struck them with a severe plague. Numbers 11:33

NOTE: The plague fell before the people could even eat the food. The people were punished for coveting, not gluttony. Coveting is a craving for something forbidden by God. Gluttony is habitual over-eating. Coveting and gluttony are two very different sins. Gluttony is never mentioned in Numbers 11:33-34. The Bible is clear the people died for the sin of craving. They never had a chance to be gluttons because they died while the food was still in their mouth, as the New King James Version says, "before it was chewed."

The Israelites had violated the 10th commandment which forbids man from coveting that which is unlawful for him to have. Because craving or coveting is forbidden by God's covenant with Israel, God could execute capital punishment upon the lawbreakers. On the contrary, gluttony is not explicitly forbidden in God's covenant with Israel. So why would God punish people with death for a sin which was not forbidden in His covenant with Israel? God punishes people according to the degree of their sin. If the Israelites' sin was a violation of God's covenant with Israel (the 10 commandments) then God was justified in delivering the appropriate punishment for that violation--death in this case. However, gluttony was not a violation of the 10 commandments, and nowhere in the Bible do we find over-eating being punished by death.

3. Can we be certain of our salvation?

Ellen White

Those who accept the Saviour, however sincere their conversion, should never be taught to say or feel that they are saved. Christ's Object Lessons, p. 155

Holy Bible

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God: that ye may know that ye have eternal life... 1 John 5:13

NOTE: The reason the apostle John wrote his letter was to assure the believers that they had obtained eternal life. In Ephesians 2:8 in the New King James Version Bible, it says, "For by grace you HAVE BEEN saved..." The Greek verb for "have been" is este which is in the perfect tense. The perfect tense conveys a completed action.

4. Can Ministers eat meat? Is it immoral to eat meat?

Ellen White

Let not any of our ministers set an evil example in the eating of flesh-meat. Let them and their families live up to the light of health reform. Let not our ministers animalize their own nature and the nature of their children. Spalding and Magan, p. 211

The light has come to me for many years that meat eating is not good for health or morals. Counsels on Diet and Foods, p. 413

Holy Bible And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover [lamb] with you before I suffer. Luke 22:15

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Gen. 9:3

NOTE: The traditional Passover dinner which Jesus ate with His disciples included eating a roasted lamb:

And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. Ex. 12:8

When Elijah was by the brook Cherith, the ravens brought him "bread and flesh" to eat (1 Kings 17:6). Why did God feed Elijah with bread and "flesh" if that would set an "evil example"? Why not bread and cucumbers, or bread and carrots? If eating meat was "not good" for morals, then why did God permit Noah's descendants and the Israelites to eat meat for thousands of years? The English dictionary defines "evil" as "sinful". In order for something to be "sinful" it must be a transgression of God's law. Eating clean meat, prepared properly, is in accordance with God's law. Therefore, it cannot be "sinful" nor "evil" because it is not a transgression of God's law.

6. A sin to be sick?

Ellen White

It is a sin to be sick; for all sickness is the result of transgression. Health Reformer, Aug. 1, 1866

Holy Bible So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown. Job 2:7

NOTE: How could all sickness be the result of transgression? God Himself said that Job was "a perfect and an upright man." (Job 2:3) Paul had a "thorn" in his body that was making him weak (see 2 Cor. 12:7-10). Was it a sin for Paul to have this condition in his body? It seems odd for Mrs. White to have made this statement, because she was often sick herself. Her husband and two of her children died of sickness. Are we to believe their sins led to their deaths? If someone dies from a sickness, does that mean that person is eternally lost? After all, if "it is a sin to be sick," and if someone dies while sick, doesn't that equate to dying while in sin?

7. Is slavery a sin?

Ellen White

God is punishing this nation for the high crime of slavery. He has the destiny of the nation in his hands. He will punish the South for the sin of slavery... At the Roosevelt conference, when the brethren and sisters were assembled on the day set apart for humiliation, fasting and prayer, Sabbath, Aug. 3, the Spirit of the Lord rested upon us, and I was taken off in vision, and shown the sin of slavery. Review and Herald, Aug. 27, 1861

Holy Bible Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life... Lev. 25:44-46

NOTE: The Bible never says that slavery is a wise or a good practice, and after thousands of years of slavery, during the last 150 years mankind seems to have finally come to the realization that slavery is a bad practice. However, we need to differentiate between a "bad practice" and "sin." In order for slavery to qualify as a sin it must be a transgression of God's law, which is the 10 commandments. However, the Bible allowed for Israel to practice slavery and never condemned it as a sin. While slavery may correctly be defined as a bad practice, it is not a transgression of God's law, therefore it cannot be classified as a sin.

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Unde umbli, soro? Chiar aşa? Mă laşi aici-işa cu lioliuk singur?

Hai, că mai pun astea care sunt tari rău de tot!!!! Coana Leana care contrazice Scriptura........

ia uite aici scrieri de inalta tinuta si probate cu scriptura nu ,, abureli ,, de pe la altii de la care

nu dai nici linku sa vedem cine-s

Tat

Pacat ca adventismul teoretic si original nu are nici o legatura cu realitatea.Au fost multi adventisti care au avut ceva in dibla in urma cu un secol.In prezent zero absolut.

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Pacat ca adventismul teoretic si original nu are nici o legatura cu realitatea.Au fost multi adventisti care au avut ceva in dibla in urma cu un secol.In prezent zero absolut.

e tocmai cu a spune ....toti barbierii sant ,, gresiti ,, fiindca unul a gresit si a taiat pe cineva.....

chiar biblia spune ca D-zeu va ,,separa,, la nivel de individ........asa ca niciodata nu se pot pune

toti ,, barbierii ,, in aceeasi oala..........iar adventismul ,, teoretic ,, a evoluat .......limpezind

intelegerea scripturilor........dar nu poti sa crezi asta daca nu studiezi - din cauza prejudecatilor....

cum ca daca sant de alt soi nu citesc nimic din ce zic ei.........

eu nici acum nu sant de acord cu unele ,, parti ,, din intelegerea adventa........ca de ex.

sa nu se aplaude la serbarile copiilor in biserica ........bineinteles ca numa in Romania e

chestia asta .....ca in alte tari adventistii aplauda la serbarile copiilor.........

chiar daca se tin in biserica.......atentie nu ma

refer la vreo predica sau alte programe ....de sanatate sau studiu profetic..........

intr-adevar nu sant lucruri ,, explicate ,, in scripturi poate nici in scrierile egw

insa incetul cu incetul cred ca biserica se

va ,, apropia ,, de ceea ce Hristos a vrut sa fie o biserica ........bucurie curata si partasie intre

cei ce vor sa- L urmeze pe Hristos..........

leo luke a scris:

e tocmai cu a spune ....toti barbierii sant ,, gresiti ,, fiindca unul a gresit si a taiat pe cineva.....

chiar biblia spune ca D-zeu va ,,separa,, la nivel de individ........asa ca niciodata nu se pot pune

toti ,, barbierii ,, in aceeasi oala..........iar adventismul ,, teoretic ,, a evoluat .......limpezind

intelegerea scripturilor........dar nu poti sa crezi asta daca nu studiezi - din cauza prejudecatilor....

cum ca daca sant de alt soi nu citesc nimic din ce zic ei.........

eu nici acum nu sant de acord cu unele ,, parti ,, din intelegerea adventa........ca de ex.

sa nu se aplaude la serbarile copiilor in biserica ........bineinteles ca numa in Romania e

chestia asta .....ca in alte tari adventistii aplauda la serbarile copiilor.........

chiar daca se tin in biserica.......atentie nu ma

refer la vreo predica sau alte programe ....de sanatate sau studiu profetic..........

intr-adevar nu sant lucruri ,, explicate ,, in scripturi poate nici in scrierile egw

insa incetul cu incetul cred ca biserica se

va ,, apropia ,, de ceea ce Hristos a vrut sa fie o biserica ........bucurie curata si partasie intre

cei ce vor sa- L urmeze pe Hristos..........

Nu ma intelege gresit.In urma cu 17 ani am citit tragedia veacurilor.A fost cartea m-a facut sa gandesc...altfel.Nu sunt impotriva adventismului lui egw.Nu in totalitate.Sabatul nu e important decat pentru cel care il intelege.Ca formalism este zero.Intr-adevar in unele zone ale lumii cultul advent a mai avut ceva roade pozitive ca exceptie.In Romania ...NU EXISTA.Vrei sa-ti povestesc despre un tigan borat care a delapidat statul cu miliarde si multe alte persoane particulare,cu dosar penal si totusi predica de la amvon ca prezbiter din cauza zeciuielii consistente?Despre curvie?..............................