Despre ziua de odihna

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Za hu iz "sfintul" Toma?

Za Biblie zice asa:

Coloseni 2:16-17

16 Nimeni dar să nu vă judece cu privire la m

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Aha, asta da! Dar, again, unde scrie? Trebuie sa vedem ce scrie.

Tu din nou pui accent pe litera...nu scrie ca crestinii inca tineau Sabatul...asta este o speculatie. Dar gandeste-te putin...a fost o perioada de tranzitie...lucrurile nu s-au intamplat peste noapte... :roll: Faptul ca unii cereau inca circumcizia ma facut sa inteleg ca desi nu scrie inca erau crestini care respectau legea lui Moise...daca nu toata cel putin parti din ea.

marinaru a scris:

Tu din nou pui accent pe litera...nu scrie ca crestinii inca tineau Sabatul...asta este o speculatie. Dar gandeste-te putin...a fost o perioada de tranzitie...lucrurile nu s-au intamplat peste noapte... :roll: Faptul ca unii cereau inca circumcizia ma facut sa inteleg ca desi nu scrie inca erau crestini care respectau legea lui Moise...daca nu toata cel putin parti din ea.

Ma faci sa repet ceeace nu ma incanta, citeste legea lui Constantin in Codex Justiniani si ai sa vezi.

Daca Primi crestini nu mai respectau Sambata, de ce era nevoie de o LEGE SOCIALA care sa interzica tinerea sarbatorii?

E chiar atat de greu sa pricepi lucruri elementare?

enoch a scris:

Ma faci sa repet ceeace nu ma incanta, citeste legea lui Constantin in Codex Justiniani si ai sa vezi.

Daca Primi crestini nu mai respectau Sambata, de ce era nevoie de o LEGE SOCIALA care sa interzica tinerea sarbatorii?

E chiar atat de greu sa pricepi lucruri elementare?

Nu prea ma intereseaza ce spune legea lui Constantin si nici nu ma intereseaza eu stiu ce lege sociala iti imaginezi tu...

marinaru a scris:

Nu prea ma intereseaza ce spune legea lui Constantin si nici nu ma intereseaza eu stiu ce lege sociala iti imaginezi tu...

Cand esti habarnist mai bine taci.

"Emperor Constantine was the ringleader in this process, using Christianity to gain greater political power over the people. The following edict is his exact decree on March 7, 321 AD, formalizing Sunday in place of the Sabbath.

"On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations, the bounty of heaven should be lost."

There was a dual observance of Saturday and Sunday for a while, but the Council of Laodicea in 364 AD institutionalized Sunday observances with the following edict:

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's Day they shall honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."

The Eastern Orthodox bishop of Alexandria also instituted these practices in concert with the Roman Catholic church, laying the groundwork for the Eastern Orthodox also observing Sunday. They (Rome) later excommunicated any who were keeping the Sabbath on Saturday. I won't even dwell on the anti-semitism institutionalized in the church at that time, because pope John Paul II has recognized it and apologized for that and other mistakes through the centuries."

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Cand esti habarnist mai bine taci."Emperor Constantine was the ringleader in this process, using Christianity to gain greater political power over the people. The following edict is his exact decree on March 7, 321 AD, formalizing Sunday in place of the Sabbath."On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations, the bounty of heaven should be lost."There was a dual observance of Saturday and Sunday for a while, but the Council of Laodicea in 364 AD institutionalized Sunday observances with the following edict:"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's Day they shall honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ."The Eastern Orthodox bishop of Alexandria also instituted these practices in concert with the Roman Catholic church, laying the groundwork for the Eastern Orthodox also observing Sunday. They (Rome) later excommunicated any who were keeping the Sabbath on Saturday. I won't even dwell on the anti-semitism institutionalized in the church at that time, because pope John Paul II has recognized it and apologized for that and other mistakes through the centuries."

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Nu prea ma intereseaza ce spune legea lui Constantin...:roll:

enoch a scris:

Uite ce spune Biblia:

Ioan 20:1

Iar

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Mai, marinare.... Cu Biblia nu merge cu supozitii si banuieli. Scrie, putem vedea cu totii si analiza. Nu scrie, inseamna ca vine din mintea oamenilor. Iar cu sabatul, se si vede clar pt ca ei contrazic Scriptura care zice ca sabatelele sunt UMBRE.

Mai zexe...a fost sau nu o perioada de tranzitie ? Cum vezi tu lucrurile ? Cand crezi ca au incetat sa sarbatoreasca Sabatul ? Chiar dupa ce a inviat Cristos ? Sau dupa ce s-a inaltat...? Spune tu cum a fost...

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Mai zexe...a fost sau nu o perioada de tranzitie ? Cum vezi tu lucrurile ? Cand crezi ca au incetat sa sarbatoreasca Sabatul ? Chiar dupa ce a inviat Cristos ? Sau dupa ce s-a inaltat...? Spune tu cum a fost...

Teoretic, sabatul a incetat in momentul crucii. Mi-e frica sa afirm ceva despre perioada de tranzitie, mai ales ca nu am gasit proba biblica suficienta ca sa sustina un argument biblic solid.

Perioadele astea de"tranzitie" nu le inteleg f bine. Sunt citeva: la potop-timpul cit a plouat, 1/2h liniste in cer (Apocalipsa 8

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deci pan la urma ziua de odihna e duminica si cand a fost schimbata si de catre cine?