Gandul...

36. Flower Shower

Subhuti was Buddha's disciple. He was able to understand the potency of emptiness, the viewpoint that nothing exists except in its relationship of subjectivity and objectivity.

One day Subhuti, in a mood of sublime emptiness, was sitting under a tree. Flowers began to fall about him.

"We are praising you for your discourse on emptiness," the gods whispered to him.

"But I have not spoken of emptiness," said Subhuti.

"You have not spoken of emptiness, we ahve not heard emptiness," responded the gods. "This is the true emptiness." And blossoms showered upon Subhuti as rain.

http://www.ashidakim.com/zenkoans/zenindex.html

dus cu flori... ok... bun pt el!

Dar, scopul acestui thread, este acela de a defini gandul, cu ajutorul experientelor noastre.

Te rog jet li sa incerci.

Incercati pentru un minut sa nu va ganditi la nimic :D

Tu ai reusit sa nu gandesti ?

Da, nu stiu sigur dar incerc. Cred ca pot sta un timp fara sa ma gandesc la nimic, dar nu stiu multe despre meditatie, asta e de fapt ideea. Uite ce am gasit ca a scris cineva

I think there are several types of meditation. The first one and base of the rest is wht I'd call just sitting. It's a way of letting the thoughts settle the goal being one pointed awareness. This can be on the breath or on sounds or symbolic imagery.

A second type of meditation is to achieve this goal of one pointed awareness, or as close as possible, while focusing on inter-related symbols. As one meditates more and more with progressive symbols the subconscious weaves them into a tapestry of the "whole" or whatever it is one is trying to accomplish. One can then attempt to guide and influence the subconscious forces the symbols represent. This is what all of that "law of atraction" stuff is but the people who are into that don't usually lay the ground work of connecting to and communicating with their subconscious.

A third type of meditation is the most interesting to me. It involves what I'd call trance work. The idea is that through progressive stages of relaxation we are able to turn off sensory input from the body. This is similar to sleep but with awareness. When the senses are disconnected from the body they have the ability to directly connect with the subconscious forces that I was talking about above. This is a much more powerful way of working. and results are instantaneous. If you suggest to yourself that you would like to experience the size of the solar system you can immediately feel your sensory awareness expand in size(possibly to the size you suggest unless you confuse yourself along the way). It's very interesting but also pretty difficult to achieve.

the very first thing about meditation is to sit down and observe what happens. There's not much to do... not much to think. I heard a lot of people speak of meditation in similar ways you do, but I've met only two meditating really. Both of them stopped after a few years of regular practice. By the way, the stopped calling it "meditation". They simply called it "Sitting", for in truth, that's the only constraint you must keep: your back must be straight. The rest is observation

mai, la o forma de "a nu gandi nimic" am ajuns si eu...

uneori pic intr-o stare ... pt. altii pare ca sunt absorbita de ganduri, de fapt ...ioc!

si cica sunt intrebata la ce ma gandesc... ..."eh, si io, cu mintea aiurea"!

:flowers:

si e tare bine, ca parca iti mai odihnesti mintea... e nevoie si de asta, mai ales pt. cei care aceasta e unealta muncii!

Poate deveni un mod de masturbare mentala atunci cand mintea imprastiata inlocuieste sentimentele.

Exercitiul mintii. Daca e bine sau nu sa gandim, eu spun ca da. Doar gandul te poate duce unde nu te-ai gandit niciodata.

Gandul este copilul pe care-l creeaza mintea . Este foarte greu si cere destul de mult antrenament sa nu gandesti .

Chiar si acum cand scriu aceste cuvinte gandurile mele sunt intr-o continua miscare , nu ma pot disocia de mediul inconjurator .

Meditatia mi se pare cea mai buna forma de a transcede gandul .

nyna a scris:

Ce e gandul?

Si... de ce "naste"? De ce noi gandim? Care este importanta ganduli?

Ne ajuta intotdeauna?

Gandul poate distruge?

gandul poate fi cel mai bun prieten, dar si cel mai aprig dusman.