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#21 Utilizator offline   Dimineata 

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Scris 30 July 2009 - 02:07 PM

A Sacred Place .

It was November 1976 when the monk Andrea, finished his first mandate as an abbot of the Monastery of Aghiou Pavlou, wanted to retire in silence in one metoki (property) of the monastery in the locality of Monoxiliti in the first part of the territory of the Holy Mount Athos, where the small church is dedicated to St. Nicolas.

The coast along the metoki is characterized by the presence of many cliffs, three of them, very similar between them, come up from the sea and are called "tria adelfia" (three brothers). The house of the metoki is located in the center of a valley, separated from the sea by a small hill which doesn’t permit to scrutinize the horizon. Pater Andrea was used to go down to the seashore praying with the kombuskini (the orthodox β€œrosary”) in hand, to fetch some twigs and logs for the fireplace.

One day a terrible storm raged violently over the metoki turning upside down the whole coast. When the storm was over the monk Andrea decided to go down to the shore, knowing that the force of the sea would have brought adrift a lot of trunks of wood.. In the meantime he didn't exclude the possibility that some shipwrecked person could be needing help as a consequence of the storm.

A little far from the place where he was gathering the wood, the monk Andrea saw something very similar to a human body and thinking that it was a shipwrecked person needing help, got nearer. He saw that indeed, paradoxally, although the entrance for women in Mount Athos is banned, it was a woman. She was dressed in black like a nun and sat on a rock, with two books next to her and another book on her knees on which she was writing.

Surprised and still uncertain he asked, with the typical dialectal accent of Cephalonia from where he was: "Who are you, madam? What are you looking for here? Do you need help?" thinking that she was a passenger of a wrecked ship. "No, Ieronda (a title given to aged monks) - she replied - I don't need help. I am from this place and I do this work.”. β€œAnd what are the three books that you have?” The lady answered β€œOn one of them I am noting down who will come to this place(meaning Mount Athos), on the second those who will leave and on the third one, which is the Book of Life, I note down those who will stay here until the end”

Not wanting to disturb anymore and aware that his help was not necessary and without knowing who the lady was, pater Andrea began to climb towards the metoki. When the time for the vesper came he hurried towards the small church dedicated to St. Nicolas to pray. When he began the prayer for the Akatistos(the splendid and poetic hymn dedicated to Virgin Mary, to be recited standing) in front of the icon of the Holy Virgin and to sing: "Ξ€ΟŒ προσταχθΠν ΞΌΟ…ΟƒΟ„ΞΉΞΊΟŽΟ‚ Ξ»Ξ±Ξ²ΟŽΞ½ Ρν Ξ³Ξ½ΟŽΟƒΞ΅ΞΉ...” (β€œWhen the incorporeal knew the ordained mystery...”) the eyes of his soul opened, he realized that what had happened was not a normal fact and that the lady he had met on the seaside was the same as the one on the icon. Only then he had the revelation: he had spoken with Panaghia.

The Ieronda went back as fast as he could to the shore, although his age and the difficult rocky path to see the Mother he had always deeply loved, to whom he had always addressed all his requests, on who his salvation depended and on whom he was putting all his hope. But on that place the lady was no more; a very soft and extraordinary perfume was flooding the place where before was the Mistress of the Holy Mount.
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Scris 30 July 2009 - 02:12 PM

Totusi... totusi... cine ia sufletul si ce face cu el, in plus la ce-i foloseste mancarea?
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Scris 30 July 2009 - 02:22 PM

De ce nu intrebi un preot ortodox?

Omul acela cred ca s-a dus in rai daca a lasat Dumnezeu lumea sa-l vada mergand la cer.

Deci fratilor nu va departati de Biserica Ortodoxa ca in loc de mancare pentru viata vesnica sa luati simboluri. In primii 1500 de ani cand protestantismul cu erorile lui nu exista , toti crestinii luau mancare pentru viata vesnica nu simboluri si toate documentele istorice pana la 1500 spun asta asa ca atentie. Nu vezi documente istoric inainte de 1500 sa vorbeasca de simboluri. Mancarea pentru viata vesnica de la Biserica Ortodoxa daca o iei IIsus te va invia in ziua de apoi si vei avea viata vesnica:
Ioan 6:54
54. Cel ce mănāncă trupul Meu şi bea sāngele Meu are viaţă veşnică, şi Eu īl voi īnvia īn ziua cea de apoi.

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Scris 30 July 2009 - 02:30 PM

Vezi postareaDimineata, la Jul 30 2009, 03:22 PM, a spus:

De ce nu intrebi un preot ortodox?

Omul acela cred ca s-a dus in rai daca a lasat Dumnezeu lumea sa-l vada mergand la cer.

Deci fratilor nu va departati de Biserica Ortodoxa ca in loc de mancare pentru viata vesnica sa luati simboluri. In primii 1500 de ani cand protestantismul cu erorile lui nu exista , toti crestinii luau mancare pentru viata vesnica nu simboluri si toate documentele istorice pana la 1500 spun asta asa ca atentie. Nu vezi documente istoric inainte de 1500 sa vorbeasca de simboluri. Mancarea pentru viata vesnica de la Biserica Ortodoxa daca o iei IIsus te va invia in ziua de apoi si vei avea viata vesnica:
Ioan 6:54
54. Cel ce mănāncă trupul Meu şi bea sāngele Meu are viaţă veşnică, şi Eu īl voi īnvia īn ziua cea de apoi.


Demonstreaza ca este asa cum spui! Parerea mea este ca toate chestiile astea sunt SF.

PS. ma multumesc si cu o demonstratie simpla, dar sa nu fie facuta cu ajutorul citatelor din biblie!

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Apopii: 30 July 2009 - 02:38 PM

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  Scris 30 July 2009 - 03:32 PM

Iubiti credinciosi...de ce TREBUIE sa mergeti la biserica,sa-i respectati invataturile,dogmele canoanele? -pentru ca altfel ajungeti in iad.
Si in iad,o sa ardeti in foc si pucioasa,in cazane cu smoala clocotita,in intuneric si singuratate,pentru vesnicie! :spiteful:

Iata esenta ortodoxiei! :scare:
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Scris 30 July 2009 - 03:48 PM

Dimineata, sa faci bine sa traduci textul din engleza in romana.

Multumesc.


Vezi postareaApopii, la Jul 30 2009, 01:46 PM, a spus:

Sa fie clar eu vreau in IAD, acolo macar e cald si nu platesc intretinere, in plus pot sa fac tot ceea ce este placut. Cui nu-i place in IAD, in RAI cu voi, stati sa inghetati de frig si sa priviti in genunchi la maicute care fac gargara sa li se ierte pacatele.

Asta de unde ai mai scos-o? :spiteful:
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Scris 30 July 2009 - 03:49 PM

1.Demonstratie simpla ca sufletul se desparte de trup si ca vine un inger

In timpul nostru medicina a evoluat si e capabila sa intoarca oameni din moarte clinica. Daca nu ar exsta suflet atunci ar trebui sa avem o rupere de film Zzzzzzzzzzzzz si reluare film. Insa cei ce vin din moarte clinica povestesc aceleasi lucru pe care il povesteste ortodoxia. Adica au vazut ingerul pazitor care i-a dus in lumea cealalta unde au vorbit cu Dumnezeu , IIsus, Fecioara Maria.
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=NPabMyVvC9s
Unii dupa operatie au povestit cum sufletul li s-a despartit de trup si s-a dus la o a treia camera si au povestitce se intampla acolo si spre stupoarea celor prezenti s-a confirmat, adica omul desi era operat si nu s-a miscat din pat a povestit ce s-a intamplat la 3 camere distanta. NDE e si disciplina de studiu si cercetare. Sunt extrem de multe povesti si lucrari stiintifice cu privire la NDE, deci exista suflet si exista si viata dupa moarte.

2.Referitor la mancarea pentru viata vesnica

Cand Biserica Catolica era Ortodoxa in anul 800 s-a petrecut la Lanciano un miracol, painea si vinul s-a transformat in trupul si sangele Domnului. Analizele medicale facute in zilele noastre arata ca carnea e de om din inima si sangele e de om. Acest lucru s-a intamplat si in Moldova si exista o povestire a parintelui Cleopa despre asta.

Mai mult in aceasta poza vezi un inger langa preotul ce da mancare pentru viata vesnica:
Imagine amplasata

Si aici sunt in film 2 poze cu ingeri aparand cand preotul iese prin protile Imparatesti si da mancare pentru viata vesnica unor oameni:
Miracles with angels: 2:43 si la 2:38
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RFA79d8859o

Portile Imparatiei Ceresti sunt in fiecare Biserica Ortodoxa si Duminical Preotul iese prin aceste porti si da mancare de viata vesnica credinciosilor.

Aceasta postare a fost editata de Dimineata: 30 July 2009 - 04:04 PM

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Scris 30 July 2009 - 04:24 PM

Vezi postareanightwish, la Jul 30 2009, 04:48 PM, a spus:

Asta de unde ai mai scos-o? :spiteful:


Unii sunt de parere ca este bine in rai si aduc argumente din biblie, amenintand in acelasi timp cu iadul, eu am procedat invers aducand argumente cotidiene. Sunt tot atat de valabile ca si argumentele biblice, din punctul meu de vedere.
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  Scris 30 July 2009 - 06:27 PM

Mai dimineata, ti-am mai spus eu cae treaba cu poza aia...
TU chiar nu vrei sa auzi? Citeste Biblia, nu dogmele unor oameni plini de interese murdare in lumea bisericii...
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Scris 30 July 2009 - 06:30 PM

Vezi postareaArcangelo, la Jul 30 2009, 04:32 PM, a spus:

Iata esenta ortodoxiei! :spiteful:

Nu, esenta ortodoxiei este puparea mainilor de morti, inchinarea la oameni, facerea de icoane si nerespectarea Cuvantului lui Dumnezeu.

Iar in Scriptura nu scrie ca poti vedea duhuri, ba din contra. Insa, ei asculta de niste nebuni care viseaza numai prostii Sci-Fi.

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