[January]

Cu siguranta, o plantuta frumusica. Dar exista oare pe acest forum persoane care au incercat-o si in alte scopuri (psihoactive)? Din cate am citit pe erowid e un delirant extrem de periculos si nu prea e de joaca_cu aceasta floricica. Astept pareri si experiente. Ma bate gandul s-o incerc, evident, nu in doza letala si nici in asa fel incat sa ajung la spital cu tripuri care sa tina 3 zile.

[January]

Nimeni? Hai, mai...

[Naeema]

Xylia, la Dec 24 2008, 04:28 AM, a spus:

Cu siguranta, o plantuta frumusica. Dar exista oare pe acest forum persoane care au incercat-o si in alte scopuri (psihoactive)? Din cate am citit pe erowid e un delirant extrem de periculos si nu prea e de joaca_cu aceasta floricica. Astept pareri si experiente. Ma bate gandul s-o incerc, evident, nu in doza letala si nici in asa fel incat sa ajung la spital cu tripuri care sa tina 3 zile.

Ce ar fi sa nu incerci tu deloc.

[January]

Naeema, la Dec 25 2008, 02:37 PM, a spus:

Ce ar fi sa nu incerci tu deloc.

Ma mai gandesc. Oricum, am oarecare experienta in domeniu si mi-as calcula "doza" in functie de greutate, apoi as reduce-o la trei sferturi din maximul permis, ca sa nu am probleme. Oricum, multumesc ptr sfat. In general lumea nu e incantata cand aude de datura.




Mai astept opinii.

[Naeema]

Xylia, la Dec 25 2008, 08:47 AM, a spus:

In general lumea nu e incantata cand aude de datura.

Datura has been used for centuries in some cultures as a poison and hallucinogen.

In the 1990s and 2000s, the United States media contained stories of adolescents and young adults dying or becoming seriously ill from intentionally ingesting Datura.

In some parts of Europe and India, Datura has been a popular poison for suicide and murder.

From 1950-1965, the State Chemical Laboratories in Agra investigated 2,778 deaths that were caused by ingesting Datura.

Due to the potent combination of anticholinergic substances it contains, Datura intoxication typically produces effects similar to that of an anticholinergic delirium: a complete inability to differentiate reality from fantasy (frank delirium, as contrasted to hallucination); hyperthermia; tachycardia; bizarre, and possibly violent behavior; and severe mydriasis with resultant painful photophobia that can last several days. Pronounced amnesia is another commonly reported effect.

"the overwhelming majority of those who describe to us their use of Datura find their experiences extremely mentally and physically unpleasant and not infrequently physically dangerous."

http://en.wikipedia..../Datura#Warning


Deci e lesne de inteles ca in general lumea este incantata cand aude de Datura.De ce nu ar fi? Cu atatea beneficii si experiente placute?

[Two]

Xylia, la Dec 24 2008, 11:28 AM, a spus:

Cu siguranta, o plantuta frumusica. Dar exista oare pe acest forum persoane care au incercat-o si in alte scopuri (psihoactive)? Din cate am citit pe erowid e un delirant extrem de periculos si nu prea e de joaca_cu aceasta floricica. Astept pareri si experiente. Ma bate gandul s-o incerc, evident, nu in doza letala si nici in asa fel incat sa ajung la spital cu tripuri care sa tina 3 zile.

Aa..ciumafaie ?! Nu, inca nu.
Si ..vezi ca ca poate nu mai plecai de la spital..si te alegi cu un stop cardiac.
Iar in doza care spui tu nu obtii decat o stare de agitatie si de confuzie.

Naeema, la Dec 25 2008, 04:07 PM, a spus:

Deci e lesne de inteles ca in general lumea este incantata cand aude de Datura.De ce nu ar fi? Cu atatea beneficii si experiente placute?

Traducerea ?

[evening]

Xylia, la Dec 24 2008, 11:28 AM, a spus:

Cu siguranta, o plantuta frumusica. Dar exista oare pe acest forum persoane care au incercat-o si in alte scopuri (psihoactive)? Din cate am citit pe erowid e un delirant extrem de periculos si nu prea e de joaca_cu aceasta floricica. Astept pareri si experiente. Ma bate gandul s-o incerc, evident, nu in doza letala si nici in asa fel incat sa ajung la spital cu tripuri care sa tina 3 zile.

Datura este planta otravitoare

Datura contine o serie de alcaloizi foarte toxici pentru om, de aceea este indicat sa va spalati pe maini dupa ce ati atins frunzele daturei. Dintre substantele periculoase, merita amintite atropina si scopolamina. In cazul ingerarii accidentale, simptomele sunt dezorientare, pierderea memoriei, stari de agitatie care se pot finaliza prin stop cardiac.
Cele mai cunoscute specii din genul Datura:

* Datura stramonium
* Datura arborea
* Datura aurea
* Datura candida
* Datura discolor
* Datura dolichocarpa
* Datura fatuosa
* Datura ferox
* Datura indica
* Datura metel
* Datura meteloides
* Datura sanguinea
* Datura suaveolens
* Datura tatula
* Datura vulcanicola
* Datura willemsi

[January]

Am zis, am ceva experienta cu deliranti (de tip Trihexyphenidilum si benzidamina) si halucinogene (LSD).
Nu-mi spuneti ca nu v-ar placea un trip de genul asta:

I'm Beginning to feel very light headed, kind of like when I stand up too fast and kind of lose touch for a while. My mouth is EXTREAMLY dry and it is hard to quench my thirst. I decide to lay down on the floor directly facing my plant and close my eyes. With the Bungle still raging on I drift start to drift off and find myself entering into a dreamlike state full of majestic landscape and bright scenery. I was drifting along, loosing all touch with reality. Speaking to the animals that I pass by, and they would speak back. It was incredible I felt at one with mother nature and never wanted to leave the world I was in. I completely forgot Tim was there until he shouted at me 'are you ok man? you've been laying there not moving for like 3 hours'. That was impossible, it only seemed like 5 minutes. I reassured him that all was well, though I don't think he understood me cause he kept asking me what I was talking about and every time I tried to explain to him what was going on and how great it was he would just stare blankly at me in confusion like I wasn't speaking English.

Finally I just gave him a reassuring 'thumbs up' to communicate what body language I could. 'alright then' he returned, 'I'm going to take a nap for awhile, Let me know if you need anything'. I told him ok and let him sleep in my bed while I finished my journey. 'But first' i thought, 'I need some water'. I went into the kitchen to get a drink of water from a Long John Silver glass (a glass that I lost years ago and never saw since) but when I reached to get my Bretta out of the fridge the glass disappeared, then when I looked back at the fridge, it wasn't the fridge at all. I was opening my medicine cabinet. This made me giggle so much that I almost pissed myself, thank god I was already in the bathroom.

After I took a piss I went back into the den to lay on the couch for a-while. To my surprise I came into a full house. Many of my friends, it seems invited themselves to a party at my house that I didn't even know was going on. This didn't bother me though I told one of my friends who was taking out my Mr. Bungle cd and replacing it with some good ol' Novembre (my favorite band of all time)to make sure he remembered to lock the door after letting everyone in (I'm not sure if he was the one who let everyone in or not). A few hours went by and I was having some very deep conversations with many of my friends about random theories and philosophies.

At one Point, I went into the kitchen to get some Dorito's of the Salsa Verde variety to share with my friends who i assumed deserved a good treat. However when I got back everyone was gone, and my Mr. Bungle cd was still playing. Then a woman walked from my bedroom, a woman I had never seen before. I remember her like I remember my own name she was soooo beautiful, her hair was a vibrant dark red, her deep green eyes were full of compassion and warmth, she looked at me like a daughter would look at her father after a long embrace. When she spoke she didn't move her mouth, rather, I would understand what she was communicating to me without using words. She was the spirit of my plant.

She expressed gratitude for caring for her and helping her to grow all this time. In that moment I felt like I was loved unconditionally, no matter how alone I felt, she would always love me. I was her father, she was my daughter. I don't remember much more of that night. I woke up the next day at about 11pm (i had drank the tea ruffley around 4pm the previous day)Tim was gone, I talked to him later on that day and told him what I had experienced and asked me if he was still my daughter. Dumbfounded I asked him what he was talking about. He told me that he came to check on me cause I kept yelling something about how there is no such thing as rain, and I would keep running back in forth the house with a bag of Doritos which had been opened from the bottom and all the chips fell out onto the floor and were infinitely trampled. Then he said when he came in the room I looked at him and started to tear and kept mumbling something like 'my daughter, your my daughter'. This made me laugh so hard I almost pissed myself again.

Oh yeah I had also written all over my walls with many colored crayons some kind of symbology that i had never seen before. Anyway this was the first of many wonderful datura experiences. I am glad I found a bond of love with this plant and her spirit, she has never betrayed me nor i her.One time I was with her by my self and I almost walked onto a busy interstate. If it weren't for some road construction guys there to save my neck I could have been squashed. Take care and RESPECT MOTHER EARTH!

[Naeema]

Drogati din toata lumea uniti-va.

[Two]

Naeema, la Dec 25 2008, 05:54 PM, a spus:

Drogati din toata lumea uniti-va.

Sindicat ?